'That Was Then, This is Now' was the last film adaptation (although the TV series for 'The Outsiders' follows five years later after the release of this movie). Holy crap guys he said "that was then and this is now" learn how to read. Jilted friend resorts to cockblocking. I thought the acting could have been better, and I think it would have been a better movie if they had left it in the time period the book was in. Authors: Laurie Spiegel. If you loved the book then do yourself a favor and don't see this movie. What happened to Ponyboy on the way home from the movie in S. E. Hinton's ... Darry then yells at him for the same thing ... Q&A, and analyses you need to get better grades now. I liked it, and this story is "different" from other teenage stories. END SPOILER. The book was later adapted into a 1985 film starring Emilio Estevez and Craig Sheffer. The movie had the typical Hollywood happy ending. His gang, including his older brothers Darry (who is the de facto leader of the gang) and Sodapop, saves him. Hinton-based adaptations. Although Cathy makes jokes to Bryon about Ponyboy asking her out - when she wants Bryon to - at the end of the story, Ponyboy and Cathy do start dating, and as a result, Bryon pushes her away. Yikes. The Greasers walk Cherry and M… Bryon finds new respect for Pony at the dance after he lets Bryon know that Mark has been hurt. In That Was Then, This Is Now, one of her most admired novels, S. E. Hinton paints a richly textured portrait of two boys at a crossroads in their friendship. ****1/2 out of 5. adamgrrrl73, tearinmyeye, ArianneMaya, Tada, robinmatshe, Glitterwriter, Carol2169, tattoo50, Eowyn_Rohan, dayflower1, and casey270 as well as 9 guests left kudos on this work! Hinton involved and Francis Coppola should've directed. And also, I don't think he's in the movie I'm not sure he is after reading the wikipedia page. Always happy-endings. If it would've ended like the book, it could've been a little better but not by much. Hinton's novels as a kid: The Outsiders, Rumble Fish (which in my opinion, is the greatest film adaptation in the series despite everyone's fascination with The Outsiders), Tex, and That Was Then This is Now. She generally stays out of the boys’ personal lives, but treats them with love and compassion. Also, it takes place in the same city. At the school dance, Mark introduces Pony to Cathy, and Bryon is wary, although he soon realizes that Cathy is not interested in leaving him for Ponyboy, as Angela did. This movie was not very good. Bryon’s mom: The widowed mother of Bryon who has essentially adopted Mark, as well. Morgan Freeman plays the owner of a local bar that the boys frequent, and does a fine job. For the character's main article, see Ponyboy Curtis on The Outsiders Wiki. That was then - This is now. job here with awesome camera work, solid angles giving the film some good atmosphere and keeping it at an engrossing pace. April 1996; Computer Music Journal 20(1):42-45; DOI: 10.2307/3681268. All of the actors in the film give equally good performacnes in particular Morgan Freemen and Craig Sheffer. The Dairy Queen in the movie was actually a Tastee Freeze and has since been converted into an appliance repair shop. That Was Then...This Is Now is decent 80s Teen film and although it is filled with good direction and great performances it is still the weakest S.E Hinton film adaptation but still has good things about it. Yikes. Johnny now senses the uselessness of fighting; he knows that Ponyboy is better than the average hoodlum, and he wants Ponyboy to hold onto the golden qualities that set him apart from his companions. I loved the book, but this movie really depressed me at how much better it could've been. Awards I feel sorry for SE Hinton that her story was so poorly portrayed. Rated R for Language,Drug Content and Some Violence. 109). She dumped Bryon to pursue Ponyboy, and when he … If that was the case, I could see giving good 'ole Emilio a pat on the head and saying "That's it kid...keep reaching for the stars! Mark would be my nephew to a T,a booty hound and a clever little mischief-maker whom anyone upon meeting can forgive since his untouchability and good-nature are very apparent,not like some swinging-you-know-what (I HATE censorship!!!!!) Ponyboy makes a brief appearance in Hinton's second novel That Was Then, This is Now. This is an excellent underrated film, that's often quite powerful and gripping, with a great story and amazing performances, and I say it's a must see for everyone!. Rest of the cast are fine. But when Bryan falls in love, Mark feels betrayed and lonely. But there was so much more going on in the book, so much more detail (as is usually the case). That Was Then, This Is Now This edition published in 1971 by Dell in New York, USA. Well, did Ponyboy “ ”? ....should have stayed as one of those things that are always on the back burner! The story generated a great deal of quality discussion in class...education at it's finest. While all these actors from the 1983 film are recognizable names, some have been more successful than others. That Was Then, This is Now study guide contains a biography of S. E. Hinton, literature essays, quiz questions, major themes, characters, and a full summary and analysis. Jo Ellen Misakian, a librarian at Lone Star Elementary School in Fresno, California, and her students were responsible for inspiring Coppola to make the film. This book had alot of impact on me when I read it so very long ago-the movie wasn't terrible-though I really CAN understand people feeling cheated by it. This is an excellent underrated film, that's often quite powerful and gripping, with a great story and amazing performances!. *minor spoilers*. The quotation also recalls the period of time during which the boys’ friendship blossoms and solidifies—the idyllic interlude at the church. ), but other Outsiders (most notably Tim Shepard) remained intact without aging a day-- effectively destroying any continuity it might have had with the film it was undoubtedly cashing in on. In the novel, Ponyboy has light-brown hair and greenish-gray eyes. They enjoy getting into brawls, stealing cars, and hanging out at the local bar. External Reviews The main characters of this young adult, fiction story are Ponyboy Curtis, Bryon Douglas. The scene in which Emilio explains his parents demise is truly memorable and powerful. It would be easier for me to forgive the movie if it didn't have that cheesy, happy 80's music playing at the end. All the characters are excellent, and I was lucky enough to find this at my video store and buy it for 1$ at the VHS blow out sale, plus Emilio Estevez and Craig Sheffer are simply incredible in this!. Kim Delaney does fine as the troubled teen I liked her. Overall a must see for everyone!. Emilio penned the script and stars as the dangerous and wild Mark. Hinton novels). Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. Also the movie had Mark steal a car at the end with a police chase instead of having Bryan turn Mark in to the police for dealing drugs. The film is very realistic and the performances are really good. Still, Mark and Bryon made things interesting both in the book and the movie. A lot of the other characters, such as Cathy, M&M, Charlie, Angela, and the shepherd brothers also made the movie and the book interesting, especially near the end. I still managed to slightly enjoy both. Actually, as Bryon learns, Ponyboy, a quiet and shy teenager, had no idea that Angela was interested in him, although he does know that Bryon is mad at him for something. Yet, Emilio Estevez does manage to save his character somewhat, it's Bryan that was under-scored heavily, they should've represented more of that downtown background he has in the book, but alas, they made him nothing but a reformed punk akin to the Mark in the movie (which, alone I will say is good, but this is based on the book, I guess that spoiled it for me.) Ponyboy theorizes on the motivations and personalities of his friends and describes events in a slangy, youthful voice. The characters however, look different from what I imagined in the book. Actions ↑ Top; Comments (6) Comments. Ponyboy realizes that Cherry is nothing like the Socs he has met before. User Ratings Ponyboy, a young member of a small gang of Greasers, is leaving a movie theater when a group of Socs jumps him. He is portrayed by C. Thomas Howell in the film. This movie disappointed me. Excellent underrated film, that's often quite powerful and gripping, with a great story, and amazing performances! If you read the book then you would know how dark and depressing it was. Childhood friendship ends when one of the boys discovers girls and leaves his wingman behind. This Is Now is one of the best early performances of Emilo Estvez as a writer and actor. However it is nowhere as good as the book. Hinton trademarked teenage obstacles they encounter. It appears that C. Thomas Howell, the actor who played the starring role of Ponyboy Curtis in the movie grew up to have quite the lucrative acting career as an adult. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. The book, set in the late 60s, was essentially a follow-up to "The Outsiders," picking up a few months after its TV Series left off. | Mark never stole the principals car. They steal cars and get in fights, but Sheffer is clearly the more well-behaved of the two. In all, if your gonna make the movie fluff, at least leave the ending to strike you! M&M was way different in the movie because he wasnt calm and the book said he was very calm and in the movie he was very demanding. Some novels lend themselves to that kind of reinterpretation easily, but S.E. The bond between Estevez and Sheffer really was incredible, and it was so sad when they started drifting apart, and Morgan Freeman has a small but very memorable part here as Charlie the bartender, plus the ending is really moving, and will really make you think, but it also leaves the viewer smiling! I thought it would have been a good ending- for a whole different movie, for "That Was Then...", it was wrong, and in my opinion ruined the movie. It didn't even end like the book did. Tom Cruise, Patrick Swayze, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, Matt Dillon, Ralph Macchio, C. Thomas Howell -- this was the cast Francis Ford Coppola assembled for The Outsiders -- but where are they now? Hinton's novels as a kid: The Outsiders, Rumble Fish (which in my opinion, is the greatest film adaptation in the series despite everyone's fascination with The Outsiders), Tex, and That Was Then This is Now. Bryon stayed with Cathy instead of leaving her. The book was published in multiple languages including English, consists of 159 pages and is available in Paperback format. You know, that one kooky dream that just never materializes? The book was okay - somewhat enjoyable and besides the ending, the movie was true to the book. Metacritic Reviews. Yes, and I didn't even mention CHARACTERIZATION the supporting cast, only Morgan Freeman and Jill Schoelen (Angie Shepard) were true to form. That was then, this was now was, to my opinion, a pretty good movie, with plenty of action to keep you interested. I was born in 1970. 13.49; Download full-text PDF Read full-text. The movie did a horrible job replicating that. They were not impressed at all and everyone agreed that it is not a good portrayal of the book. SPOILER!!! This Is Now on Scripts.com! Only thing wrong with this movie-- the decision to "update" the story to make it contemporary. Mark doesn't get into drugs, he just sells them. With Emilio Estevez, Craig Sheffer, Larry B. Scott, Matthew Dudley. Ponyboy Michael Curtis is the protagonist of The Outsiders and a character featured in That Was Then, This Is Now.Ponyboy is one of Mark's friends, although Bryon holds a grudge against him because Ponyboy had the good sense to stay away from Angela Shepard. Someone needs to be blamed for this poor excuse of a film! With careful, intimate strokes, Hinton reveals a boy struggling over whether to protect his best friend or whether to … While the setting was from years past, the ethical questions raised and the teenage situations were quite apropos. Start studying That Was Then, This Is Now Study Guide. But S.E. He should have also had talked to Mark instead of kicking him out of the house right off the bat. (Emilio Rules!!!!!!!). Susan Eloise Hinton, known to her multitudes of readers as "S. E. Hinton," a trick that she and her early publisher used to mask her gender, is credited with revolutionizing the young adult book industry with the 1967 publication of her coming-of-age book, The Outsiders, which she published when she was only seventeen years old. He got his first big acting role in Steven Spielberg’s E.T., playing the role of cigarette-smoking Tyler when he was just 12 years old. A very young Craig Sheffer plays his best friend Bryan. That Was Then, This is Now study guide contains a biography of S. E. Hinton, literature essays, quiz questions, ... described as blue-black, and is so strikingly beautiful that she could “be a movie star” (pg. (spoilers), the book and movie were completely different, Better than the Outsiders but still could have been better. Hinton said this about That Was Then, This Is Now: "The Outsiders made you feel. Despite this, I thought it was pretty good, and I liked it until the last few scenes. Sarah Ryan "That Was Then, This Is Now" is set a few years later, in the same town as "The Outsiders" and some of the characters are similar. It was good. | The Web's largest and most comprehensive scripts resource. It's a very Hinton-esquire story. Mark was caught while driving by the cops and Bryon went to Mark to see him and Bryon wasnt mad at mark. The part in the book about Mark stealing the car to go and see his probation officer because he had stolen cars was not mentioned in the movie. I really can't blame Emilio Estevez since the studio made him change the ending and I know he wouldn't have intended to write a happy ending. | Her second effort, 1971's That Was Then, This Is Now, also dealt with the realistic themes of youth violence and tragedy that had characterized her first work, and some critics considere… It’ll never be the same again. This movie was really bad. I'm not going to start on Christopher Cain, even though his movies tend to bite the dust..... At least this one had some decent acting, but characterization is what made the book by S.E.Hinton so powerful, And, yes, against better judgement, I will compare this to the book, with SPOILERS.... Mark in the book is popular likeable and dare-devilish, in the movie he's seems to be nothing but a punk w/ dare-devilish inclinations!! (you'll see what I mean when you watch it). At the end of the novel, she is dating Ponyboy Curtis. that bases his life on all the rampant going on's in the hood'. "That Was Then...This Is Now" followed the book relatively closely up until the last scenes. Estevz brings Mark to life they way S.E.Hinton intened by being brutal and cut throat in his performace. See the movie for yourself. Jill Schoelen is very cute and does fine as Angela she had good chemistry with Sheffer and just seemed like a nice ordinary girl, I liked her lots. The Outsiders is a 1983 American coming-of-age drama film directed by Francis Ford Coppola.The film is an adaptation of the 1967 novel of the same name by S. E. Hinton and was released on March 25, 1983 in the United States. It was horrible. Otherwise, I liked the movie and the book because they were really different from each other. Yes, the book's the same way, but a lot more bitter..... when Bryan spoke with Mark in prison, Bryan left afraid of Mark, since Mark had the same mischieviousness about him, but also a darker-side which Bryan felt Mark could kill him if he wanted to!!!!! It is located at 3242 N. Peoria in Tulsa, OK. [Thanks to TLB] Editors Note: The lot has changed somewhat in the meantime and the structure of the Dairy Queen with its distinctive roof has now gone. Edition Description. I would only recommend seeing this if you're a big Morgan Freeman fan because his performance is pretty good and is worth seeing for his performance alone if you're a fan. Empathy, the ability to see things through another person's perspective, is central to the resolution of both the gang and the family conflict in The Outsiders.The two gangs' preoccupation with the appearance and class status of their rivals underscores the superficiality of their mutual hostility, which thrives on stereotypes and prejudice. The description they gives is kinda wrong. Ponyboy Michael Curtis is the narrator and protagonist of the 1967 novel The Outsiders, and its 1983 film adaptation. For one thing, Ponyboy is mentioned in it. Mark and Bryan's friendship slowly starts to deteriorate. Okay, I've seen this movie at Language Arts class AFTER I read the book. The book was so powerful and real in the last chapters- and the movie took all of this out. Ponyboy is one of Mark's friends, although Bryon holds a grudge against him because Ponyboy had the good sense to stay away from Angela Shepard. I feel and love and cry over Ponyboy and his story, however, I want to question, analyze, and … The character of Ponyboy was taken out of this film for obvious reasons (why would he still be 16 in 1985? If it would've been directed by Francis Coppola, it might've been better but, this movie was really bad. In the movie Bryon didnt call the cops on Mark. The next night, Ponyboy and his friends Dally and Johnny meet Cherry Valance and Marcia at a drive-in movie theatre. It's pretty close to Rumble Fish and The outsiders (both also S.E. The main character, Bryon, was sometimes enjoyable to watch and sometimes hard to watch. you may not have caught it, he's called "Curtis" most of "That Was Then, This Is Now". I have not yet read the book but I did really enjoy this movie, and this is very well made and written as well, plus I felt sorry for Emilio's character. Morgan Freeman is amazing in his small role as the Bartender and as always couldn't take my eyes off him when he was on screen (Freeman Rules!!!!!!!). And if you're hoping for a sequel, prepare to be disappointed. The two have lived together since they were 9 and are practically brothers. As result of this questionable rewrite, the novel's focus on the greaser/soc conflict dying off is completely absent, as are other time period-specific subplots. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Sheffer and Emilio are both very good and fun to watch. That Was Then, This Is Now is a coming-of age, young adult novel by S. E. Hinton, first published in 1971.Set in the 1960s, it follows the relationship between two friends, Mark Jennings and Bryon Douglas, who are like brothers, but find their friendship rapidly changing and deteriorating. He's cute so that helps, but his acting wasn't great and it ruined some of the scenes. The ending freaked me out. A underlooked gem. And we don't know this till the end of the film anyway. The Acting is amazing!. I always loved S.E. The movie was not as good as the book. This Is Now? | Parade traces the paths of The Outsiders movie cast and caught up with what they’re up to now. They made Emilio the center of the story when, the bond between Mark and Bryon was supposed to be the center. ... (Ponyboy Curtis) ... in another Hinton book-turned movie, That Was Then, This Is Now. The end of the book is really different from the end of the movie because at the end of the book Brian was afraid of Mark and at the end of the movie Mark forgave Brian. She had no emotion just like when she was in the hospital waiting room with her dad. Start studying Outsiders Practice Test. Christopher Cain does an excellent! It would really have not been that difficult to just follow what was written in the book. Emilio did a good job acting but, it doesn't make up for the many other mistakes made. Contains Spoiler I read the book before I saw the movie, so the book influenced my opinion of the movie. The most mediocre of the S.E. Emilio Estevez is amazing as always and is incredible here, his character was a trouble maker, but was just so likable, that you are able to feel sorry for his character, I especially felt bad for him near the end, he also had brilliant chemistry with Craig Sheffer, brought lots of energy and charm to the role, and just did an amazing job this is one of his best performances! Decent film on it's own, but not as good as the book. So, later on and throughout the movie Craig Sheffer seems like a wooden jerk to Mark, rather than representing the inner-turmoil that Bryan feels when he wants to change. An okay teenage drug drama movie with a good cast and interesting characters, but I hate the ending. They also briefly talk to Ponyboy, who is simply referred to as 'Curtis' and is now dating Angela Shepherd. Bryon and Mark, the main characters, meet a hippie named Randy, who was formerly (though it is not mentioned) Bob's best friend. In English class, we read S.E. The movie was funny and interesting. A solid rental. When I saw the movie I actually liked it. I was satisfied with how they used the important stuff from the book, but when I saw the ending it diminished my opinion on this movie. Craig Sheffer is just as good, he was really likable, and you will feel happy for him because he is getting his life on track and is growing up, it's just too bad his career never really took off, because he impressed the hell out of me here!. Hinton wrote this brilliant story about the downtown boyz who are always in trouble. The book was okay, not great. Audience Reviews for That Was Then...This Is Now. The Direction is excellent!. The Outsiders is a coming-of-age novel by S. E. Hinton, first published in 1967 by Viking Press.Hinton was 15 when she started writing the novel but did most of the work when she was 16 and a junior in high school. It wasn't a "great" movie, but it was a great movie for me and is a great movie about growing up, deciding what is important, forming morals. Hinton's creation from classic novel to a film beloved by Someday...just someday...you'll make it"! That Was Then, This Is Now is the story of two working class youths who look like Though only fourteen years old, he understands the way his social group functions and … I actually liked the movie until it ended. Sep 06, 2010. That was then, this is now. 1 Appearance 2 Personality 3 The Outsiders 4 References and Citations Ponyboy is the youngest of the greaser gang. And Ponyboy,Tim/Curley Shepard, and Randy make a apperance in that was then this is now What are some similarities between book and movie because of winn dixie? Sixteen-year-old Mark and Bryon have been like brothers since childhood, but now, as their involvement with girls, gangs, and drugs increases, their relationship seems to gradually disintegrate. https://that-was-then-this-is-now.fandom.com/wiki/Ponyboy_Curtis?oldid=4534. That could not be more true. While many movies such as Pretty In Pink, etc. And even Angela wasn't a great actress. they are on a street to nowhere in their lives. Directed by Christopher Cain. This movie really should've had S.E. That Was Then, This Is Now Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. Hinton's early works aren't among them. This is a very underrated and unknown film. The first edition of the novel was published in 1971, and was written by S.E. The Outsiders was only his second film ever. The acting was pretty bad, except for Emilio Estivez who actually was enduring and cute. were bigger hits, these movies along with a couple of others were incredibly important in what it means to be a friend, what it meant to grow up, and what it meant to grow up in the 80's. If anything, Bryan still felt what I would say "carnalismo" in him after getting beat-up by the Sheperd brothers as well as feel responsible for stopping the violence, rather than looking like a whipped pup!! That Was Then, This Is Now will make you think." The students were enthralled with the story. S.E. But I can forgive these things, what made me vote 6 on this was the ending, happy 80's music and a "lighten-up dude" ending. You might come to different conclusion than I did. Ponyboy Michael Curtis is the protagonist of The Outsiders and a character featured in That Was Then, This Is Now. My grade 10 ESL students read the book and then watched this film version. That is why I liked the book so much because it doesn't cheapen the story by having a happy ending. Morgan Freeman is excellent as their bar owning older pal. Cathy was cute too but her acting was pretty bad. Hinton's saga of teenage angst. The book was really different from the movie. Hinton. The movie did not go in to as much detail as the book did. The story revolves around the two main characters friendship and the tough S.E. But this isn't a sequel, because it doesn't otherwise continue the story of The Outsiders. Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless. Some essential scenes are missing such as Mike Chamber's story which helps the reader really understand the motivation behind Bryon's change of heart. The year after "The Outsiders" hit the screen, Ralph Macchio made a big splash as the star of "Karate Kid." Ponyboy Curtis, the youngest member of the greasers, narrates the novel. one of the most powerful scenes in the movie for me is when Bryan, and Mark get into a fight because Mark was responsible for giving drugs to M&M,and Estevez and Sheffer had brilliant chemistry together, plus this is truly an underrated gem. I always loved S.E. The casting was decent but again, couldn't save the movie. FAQ It was 37 years ago, in March 1983, that "The Outsiders" opened in movie theaters nationwide, taking Tulsa author S.E. "The movie was okay, but the book was better". She's not a good actress. In the book Brian and Cathy are not together and in the movie they are still together. And of course, Morgan Freeman was awesome as he always is but his part wasn't major in this movie. Will be on my buy list when I get a little money. Particularly, when she was driving the car when M&M was hallucinating. SPOILER: he gets killed. The ending is what really made it bad. Emilio's character has a crappy family life, and spends most of his time with Sheffer and his single mom, who treats Emilio like her own son. Hinton was 18 when the book was published. SPOILER I think that the book was funny and interesting. Actually, as Bryon learns, Ponyboy, a quiet and shy teenager, had no idea that Angela was interested in him, although he does … But really, the movie was pretty bad. Perhaps the filmmakers wanted this to stand on its own from Coppola's then-recent "Outsiders" adaptation, but this likely hurt "That Was Then...This Is Now" in more ways than it helped it. 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